Frederick Hall - Phrenologist

Hi folks,

Those of you who are born the US in the early 60's might have run into the Daylight Saving Time (DST) problem where different Human Design chart calculators give different results and the time seems to be 1 hour off.

In the past I have seen this issue popping up again and again, and there has mostly been a lot of confusion attached to it, but also an exaggerated certainty.
For the past months, I haven't had to deal with this at all, but today it's resurfacing because someone sent me a message, so I figured I'll just let you in on my thoughts and conclusions on this. Additionally, in the future, I will be able to just link people to the post.

First of all: There is no definite solution to this issue. Even if people claim to have the definite answer, that's nothing but marketing and sales to keep their customers happy, because let's be real, it can be very frustrating to not have the certainty, and understandably so. Customers crave certainty, even if it can't be guaranteed, so it's tempting for service providers to just stick to an answer and market it as a fact. I'd love to have a different and definite answer for you, but that's sadly not how it works with DST in the US from early 60's.

Let me explain:
The early 60's in the US was a period of total time chaos where there was no standardized DST, not even per state/statewide. Sometimes, you could travel to the neighbor city within the same state and have a different local time.
The most accurate and detailed database that I found closed their service because they lacked the manpower to keep up with figuring out this mess and to do a complete job. Even if someone had the time and energy to do so, some of the recorded data seems to be partially conflicting and difficult to assess. I suspect that might be because the states set their DST rules, and then the local administration might not have always implement it that way, or they might not have always implemented it immediately. If throughout your life you have ever worked in a team, then you have experienced how difficult it can be to coordinate stuff, especially if it is new to everyone involved. Alternatively, just switch on the news and witness how easy it is for things to be difficult and for organization to go wrong. I suspect that was what was happening then, and that might have been a reason why no one has good, organized, and truly reliable data today.

So the best you can do for yourself is to consider both time options: DST and no DST. Or you could try to figure it out by contacting the local city (not the state), if you are lucky you might even get a definite answer. Alternatively, if you are certain and well versed enough in HD to be sure that one version fits you and the other version does not, just adjust the hour in the form of any calculator that shows the version of your Human Design chart that makes no sense to you. Add or subtract one hour in the form where you fill in your birth data.

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That's the workaround.
Let's go to my thoughts on marketing certainty:

We know that the third line is the material line and good at making money, and especially so if it's a fear gate, because it can emulate bad leadership and easily make money off people's fears.
Many programmers have the 4.3, which is about experimenting with formulas, and making money by experimenting with formulas, and sometimes you can immediately see that the programmer might have a 4.3 when the program is buggy as hell, when everywhere you click there are the errors popping up, and there is little effort in fixing even the most basic problems (the 4.3 is about irresponsibility and getting by with less effort).
So, as a programmer or craftsman, that 4.3 might work very well because you always get the feedback of what formula does not work: The program doesn't run when your code is based on faulty formulas. The statics or weird optics of a table you built probably tell you when it doesn't work. You will just naturally run into those problems, adapt, and find a fix. The formula will naturally change in the process, and ultimately you will get to something that works. But when it comes to marketing through that same 4.3, it gets very, very difficult. Ideally, the 4 is able to provide possible answers and open to experiment with them in order to find the right answer that works, and it does not take on the responsibility of claiming to have the right answer. It can also help others to transform their fear of uncertainty. Or it can work with the fear of uncertainty in other helpful ways, for example it can encourage people to just keep trying out the formulas until one works. On the problematic side, though, it just markets to people's fears. The fear of gate 4 is the fear of uncertainty. It is the fear that no secure order can be found and that there is no reliability, but only chaos (including this kind of time chaos). And in its youthful folly, it clings to answers that are foolish, just in order to have an answer that provides that possibly false sense of certainty. So the 4.3 can market these foolish answers to other people because it knows that others crave certainty, and that that certainty sells, even if it is false.
It is similarly difficult with the 24.3 (irrationality), although that's not a typical programmer placement. But in regard to the mental concepts and to its marketing, it can be even more difficult, because it is an individual gate that is so afraid of not knowing and of its own possible ignorance that it clings to its individual insight no matter how irrational and absurd that insight may be. And yet, you can't argue with irrationality, there is always some rationalization and excuse why they are right and don't have to change their thinking. You can't argue with irrationality. Or can you? I don't know, you try, I wish you good luck, ahaha! My grandma has her natal Uranus in 24.3, and she also has the 4.4, and still she can be irrational as hell at 80+. She has trouble to see some of her own faulty judgments of the past that resulted in people trying to scam her and generally led to a lot of things going wrong. I recently tried to explain to her that it might be good to be more cautious with conclusions and actions in the future, and to get a second opinion and to actually listen and consider it, or with her fading eyesight and increasing age to let others administrate things. In response, I got a hopeful question that really baffled me: "Does that mean that I am still sometimes right?", as if that was the most important thing in the world, way more important than whether things actually worked smoothly or not... Generally not being right was not even the issue to be discussed, I never disputed it to begin with, and I tend to agree with her regularly.
Now, we are all just locked into who we are, and if people are locked into clinging to faulty answers, they will be clinging to faulty answers, and that's the end of the story. It is what it is. They will face the consequences of that, good consequences or bad consequences. But whether you will make someone else's answer your answer, or not, that's up to you to decide. What are the consequences of both of these options for you? What are the risks if you stick to one answer and that answer is wrong?

I'm trying to see this realistically and not make a religion or belief out of it, and ultimately, in consideration of the time chaos that I have mentioned before - how can we know what is right, if even people who do professional geomapping and time services do not know and seem to not have the manpower and resources to figure it out exactly in detail?
Ultimately, how can you know if you were there, but if you weren't old enough to judge, take notes, and really witness? There will always be some amount of uncertainty.
This is not about being right and having the ultimate truth that never fails, because none of us has it, me included. If a Human Design chart service provider is telling you otherwise, they are selling you a false sense of certainty, or even authority that they do not possess, and it is possible that they are doing it for reasons of market competitiveness, to make you feel good about where you spend or spent your money.

The conclusion: Make up your own mind. Consider both Human Design charts: with DST and without DST. You can always just add or distract one hour in the form where you fill in your birth data, and then it will result in the same result that you got on another website that handles the DST for this time period differently.